Forgot to say, Anyone appears to detest the Automatics and everyone seems to detest the CVTs and you actually won't listen to much from your Manual's. I'm going to go out on the limb and believe that Toyota has been strengthening their CVTs over time (not automatically that the 2014-2019 https://cvttoyota32849.bloggosite.com/41298114/the-5-second-trick-for-cvt-toyota